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Here, Dick.

The angle of the sun makes the light bar a little more obvious in this pic.

 

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Yeah. Here's some "How Bright Is It?" shots for that light bar.

I know- My cell phone adjusts for brightness in order to achieve a correct exposure so there's no real comparison here.

In real life the LED bar is substantially brighter than the headlights but these pics do sort of show the the way that the thing lights up more than just the road, and the color difference of the beam.

Here's my low beams on a dark road.

Not too bad of a view, but limited. I can see the road, but not much else.



Here's my high beams, shot from exactly the same position. It's blurry (Must have wiggled it when I worked the shutter button), but here you can see that there's a telephone pole on the right, and a lamp pole on the left. Better than the low beams for sure.




And here's the low beams again with the light bar on.

Yeah. The road in front the truck looks washed out in this pic, but in real life it's clearly visible and bright as fuck. Note that you can clearly see the entire telephone pole on the right and the light pole on the left. Also note that the NEXT telephone pole down the road is visible too. If there was a deer there by that light pole about to jump out in front of the truck, he would be clearly visible as well.

This light bar is badass.



Get it HERE: http://www.roughcountry.com/toyota-tacoma-30in-led-bumper-kit-70621.html
 

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Hey Frank... of all the different gen Toyota trucks you've had, which do you like best so far and think was most capable and joyful to drive? I realize your latest one is brand new so that should probably jump to the head of the list, but I'd be curious to see what you thought after spending some more time in it.
 

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The new truck is very similar to the second gen in the way it drives and feels. But its a lot quieter and smoother. It feels more solid.

The second gen frame was flexier...

More later. Let me drive it some more. (750 miles now)

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The first gen trucks were small. A lot of people want to say that the small size was better for off road use, but I find the roomier cabs on the second and third gen trucks a lot more comfortable. (I'm 6'4")

The third gen truck is far quieter. They have done their homework and fixed all the wind noises.

The seats in the third gen are better, too. They are covered in a fabric that feels sorta like denim, and the foam padding is firm and well shaped. I noticed that the road trip down to the beach and back didn't wear me out like it did in my other Tacomas.

I'm not sure, but I think the suspension is softer in the third gen and it has more damping. It just seems to have more "Cush" to it.

I know that 9 inches (Give or take) is what Toyota quotes for clearance under all three series of trucks.

But when you drive them, the first gen feels harsh and bottoms easier. The second gen is better, and the third gen feels like it has more travel.

The numbers might not back that up, and it might just be the way the springs and shocks are tuned- I don't know. But that's what I feel when I drive them.
 

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The motor in the first gen was awesome. It made 190 horses. They ran good and cause few problems.

The motor in the second gen was awesome. It made 240 horses. They ran good and caused few problems.

The motor in the third gen is an unknown... It's supposed to make 280 horses. It's high tech as fuck.

11.8/1 compression ratio. It injects fuel directly into the combustion chamber. It has the ability to move all four camshafts around at will and is reported to get far enough away from "Conventional" valve timing that they are not calling it an Otto Cycle motor any more. Now it's an "Modified Atkins Cycle" whatever that means.

I can tell you that I found the first gen motor to be adequate, but not exciting. It would get you around just fine but it never really shined. Lots of folks supercharged them for that exact reason.

The second gen trucks would stomp a mud hole in the first gen trucks ass in a drag race.

Even when the first gen truck was supercharged.

Even with the first gen supercharged and extra injectors and stand alone ECU systems.

No contest. I beat up several of them with all of Gadget's goodies on them.

The second gen truck had grunt all over the place and I really enjoyed that motor. My fourth gen 4runner has the same motor and it runs great and does about 20 MPG. Love it.

The third gen motor claims more peak horsepower, but it seems mild when just driving around.

At half throttle, it accelerates like a first gen does at half throttle. It does the job, but it's not exciting.

I think Toyota has manipulated this motor to produce good gas mileage at less than half throttle. They have the cam timing and fuel delivery setup so it won't gulp fuel just driving around.

I got 19 1/2 MPG on my first tank of gas. Not bad for a tight motor.

So far, I have not done a full throttle pull, or even a 3/4 throttle pull, so I cannot comment about what happens up there.
 

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My first gen was an off road. It had a locker and a three speed automatic transmission, and a manual shift transfer case. The locker was electric. I did the "Grey Wire Mod" so it worked at any time. There was no traction control, no anti-lock brakes, or any other electronic traction devices.

The electric locker worked fine and never caused any problems. It clicked in and out at will.

The transmission was pretty Plain Jane- it worked well and really never got noticed. It did it's job.

The popular opinion is that the manual shift is the best option, and it did offer a neutral position- and an extra warning light because park doesn't work when the transfer case isn't in gear. I thought that the "J" shifter took up much needed room in the little truck, and never saw the supposed reliability advantage because I have never had a drive line failure in any of my Toyotas.

My second gen was a Sport.

It had a four speed automatic transmission, an electric operated transfer case, and a limited slip differential. It had anti-lock brakes, and no other traction devices.

The electric transfer case worked well. You had to operate it the way it wants to be operated, but it worked every time. You couldn't just grab the knob and go from 2hi to 4lo. It had to fully engage 4hi first, then stop and find neutral for 4lo. I liked it.

The transmission was a little different. Some people complained that it shifted too much, and others didn't like the way the fly by wire system worked. Obviously, having more gears makes for more shifting. The problem the spastics were complaining about was just the fact that continuously moving the gas pedal around caused continuous changes in how the motor tried to provide what the driver was asking for. It drove some of them crazy. There were some hilarious threads on that. I learned early on that a steady gas pedal allowed the system to work smoothly and liked the way it drove.

The limited slip diff was a hoot on wet pavement. By punching the throttle, I could make it grab, and break both rear tires loose. That allowed some cool drifter type shenanigans, but it really didn't interfere with normal driving. Off road, it was nearly useless. It required a pretty heavy application of throttle to make it work, and driving through a ditch at an angle would not cause it to do anything at all. It acted like an open diff in the dirt.

The anti-lock brakes on the second gen were OK, but the rest of the brake system sucked. It took more brake pedal pressure than any power brake vehicle I ever drove. There were many complaints about the air conditioner cycling, and the increased idle speed would make the truck move- because you had to STAND on the damn pedal to make it not move. Also, the rear brakes would get out of adjustment easily. You had to use the stupid pedal operated parking brake to adjust them. When they got loose, the leading side of the brake shoes would pull away from the top post and wedge in the drum.

Then, while you were sitting there at a red light, the shoes would spring back into position. This released the rear brakes and also let go of the spring wrap created when you stopped.

It made a thump sound and the truck moved backwards about an inch or so. It felt like the guy behind you bumped the back bumper. LOTS of threads complaining about THAT! I put badass pads on my front discs, and used that dumbass parking brake every time I got out of the truck and found the brakes barely acceptable like that.

My third gen is an off- road. It has an electric locker, an electric transfer case, a six speed automatic transmission, anti-lock brakes, traction control, vehicle stability control, and crawl control.

This six speed transmission appears to be very similar to the second gen in the way it works, it just has more gears spaced closer together. Like the second gen, it has some folks complaining that it shifts too much and acts crazy sometimes. Like the second gen, I found that a steady foot provides smooth operation and so far I like the way the transmission works. It has a "Sport Mode" where the shifter becomes a sort of manual control. Push forward to up shift one gear, pull back to down shift one gear.

It seems to work OK, but there is a little delay between shifter operation and the actual shift. It should allow good control off road.

The transfer case looks and operates the same as my second gen, but the actuator that does the shifting is bigger. Like twice the size of the second gen. What that's about is a mystery to me. It seems to work fine.

The locking diff is different than what was in my first gen. The first gen had an electric motor on the driver's side of the diff. The third gen has a metal shield on the passenger side of the diff with a wire going under it. Not sure how it works, but it's changed. The second gen had issues with the locking diff and a bunch of folks broke them. Maybe this is how they solved that problem? It seems to work the same as the old one did, but doesn't make noise when it goes in and out. My first gen made obvious clicking sounds and this one is quiet.

The brakes on the third gen are EXCELLENT! They eliminated the vacuum boost and went to an electric brake assist system. It offers good feel, good power, and so far they have done nothing stupid at all. Happy! Happy! Happy! Far better than the first two gens.

The traction control devices are serious on this truck. Toyota introduced A-TRAC on the FJ cruiser, and everybody loved it. That system uses the brakes to stop a spinning wheel, and forces the opposite wheel to push the truck forward. This truck has that system on the front and rear, and it's on a switch. Normally off, I can hit a button up on the ceiling and activate it.

Where this truck gets different is the crawl control. That system also controls the motor while manipulating the brakes. You have probably seen the video where they intentionally dig the truck in until it's sitting on the suspension and then just drive it out of a seriously stuck situation. I played with that system a little at the beach and it's interesting to say the least. The damn truck sounds like robocop because of the brake actuators and it sure seems to be working the shit out of making all four wheels pull.

When you couple those systems with the locker, you get a lot of options that should make this truck more capable than those that came before it.

We shall see, won't we. :smile2:
 

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Didn't we have this very same conversation back in '05 when I bought a brand new second gen and started wheeling it?
Lol... probably

But is yer '05 still in perfect working order and wheelin' well after 16 years since new ?


My '00 is guilty of that... and having a better re-sale value too ;)

but go ahead... tell me where I've got it all wrong
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Lol... probably

But is yer '05 still in perfect working order and wheelin' well after 16 years since new ?


My '00 is guilty of that... and having a better re-sale value too ;)

but go ahead... tell me where I've got it all wrong
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That '05 totaled in a fairly nasty wreck. The insurance company gave me 16,000 for it. You think your truck is worth that much? I doubt it. So much for your better resale.

That truck went to all the local wheeling places, four state level meets at TOTC Barnwell Mountain (I have the Texas Takeover tee shirts to prove it) and was on the sand at Daytona Beach, Chrystal Beach, Matagorda Beach, Bryan Beach, and San Louis Pass.

Yes. I wheeled it well and it never broke anything. There are hundreds of pics of that truck here on ttora, You have seen them.

Your assumption that it was somehow mechanically inferior just doesn't hold water. The anger you show by coming all the way over here to the Texas board is a little baffling, however.

Why does it bother you that I have a brand new truck? Could it be that you lack the ability to get one of your own?
 

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Yeah well if that happens he'd better see about a second mortgage on his home first.
That, by definition, is an ignorant assumption.

You don't have any idea whatsoever about what you are talking about, And I suppose because you had to hock your house to buy an axle you assume I will have to do the same.

Again, why all the anger? Is it because your miserable financial situation won't let you buy nice new things like I can? That seems like the only likely reason...

Sucks to be you, man.
 

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That, by definition, is an ignorant assumption.

You don't have any idea whatsoever about what you are talking about, And I suppose because you had to hock your house to buy an axle you assume I will have to do the same.

Again, why all the anger? Is it because your miserable financial situation won't let you buy nice new things like I can? That seems like the only likely reason...

Sucks to be you, man.
...LOL...if you only knew...:p
 

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Yeah exactly. Talk about assumptions. LOL
What anger is the clown talking about anyway? Wyatt and DeMello's stuff just ain't cheap. Nice it is, even first class but cheap it ain't. I still remember their first swap and wondering where the hell they were going to put the Panhard bar half way though. It was one of those oops moments.
 

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So now you resort to name calling. How childish are you intending to get here? If jealousy and name calling isn't enough what will you do next? Hold your breath?

Like I said... Sucks to be you.

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LOL!

another old time trash talk thread >:)
I wonder if he knows that it's likely that I paid more in just income taxes last year than his total income for the last two years combined and that I've been retired for some years now. I guess some folks just like talking out of their asses. :grin2:
 
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