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Just got off the Rubicon. It was in pretty good shape, although we did pick up a bit of trash here and there.

Spider Lake is still closed, and after talking with a forest service guy, I got the impression that it will be closed to vehicle access permanently.

We need to quit fawking around and educate other people we run into. How hard is it to pack out your junk, tread lightly, stay on the trail, and respect other trail users?

Ran into
Harold Pietschmann again like I have every trip for the last 15 years. I think he feels the same way I do. Read his thoughts here:

http://www.rubicon-trail.com/who.html

Later,
....Mike



 

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amen to that mike. i know im always trying to lead by example and let others know that if you was to keep it you have to take care of it.

i have yet to go on the rubicon and im gonna be really pissed if im never able too.
 

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amen to that mike. i know im always trying to lead by example and let others know that if you was to keep it you have to take care of it.

i have yet to go on the rubicon and im gonna be really pissed if im never able too.
At Buck Island Lake we found used diapers in a fire pit! I would really like to have a word with the retarded asshole parents who thought that was a good idea.

People suck.

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We have the same probelms here in so-cal Mike. We were leading a club run in Big Bear and we had a jackass in a stock double cab tossing his cig butts out the window onto the trail. This is one year after a major fire in the mountains!!! I swear sometimes, people are stupid. We came over the c.b. and said do not throw your trash onto the trail and I see jackass do it again. This wasn't a TTORA run, but we have had other stupid things happen on TTORA runs that just make me sick. It seems that wheeling breeds stupidity and eveyone can do whatever the hell they want.

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We have the same probelms here in so-cal Mike. We were leading a club run in Big Bear and we had a jackass in a stock double cab tossing his cig butts out the window onto the trail. This is one year after a major fire in the mountains!!! I swear sometimes, people are stupid. We came over the c.b. and said do not throw your trash onto the trail and I see jackass do it again. This wasn't a TTORA run, but we have had other stupid things happen on TTORA runs that just make me sick. It seems that wheeling breeds stupidity and eveyone can do whatever the hell they want.

Tim
You guys should do what BigBadBob did a couple years back. Pick up the cig, stuff it out on the side of his rig, then flick it in his face and tell him he dropped something.

It's time to stop being nice. My life pretty much revolves around camping, wheeling, and enjoying the outdoors. Anyone who jeopardizes that is gonna hear about it.

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Mike said:
You guys should do what BigBadBob did a couple years back. Pick up the cig, stuff it out on the side of his rig, then flick it in his face and tell him he dropped something.
HEHE, i joined that club last snow run, that dude in the jeep, remember?!
Fuk these ass hats who do such a nice jub ruining it for the rest of us.
 

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Mike,

I believe it becomes more and more "cool" to be a responsible trail user all the time. Just keep beating the message home, eventually it will sink in. Besides, Darwin steps in and kills tons of the stupid ones so give it more time:D

I greatly enjoyed the Rubicon pics. I look forward to being a passenger soon and someday having a rig that can make the run.
 

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HEHE, i joined that club last snow run, that dude in the jeep, remember?!
Fuk these ass hats who do such a nice jub ruining it for the rest of us.
I didn't get to see that, but would have liked to! I hope you are continuing to spread the same message in TN.

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Mike said:
At Buck Island Lake we found used diapers in a fire pit! I would really like to have a word with the retarded asshole parents who thought that was a good idea.

People suck.

Later,
....Mike
hopefully the kid was still in the diapers so they dont get a chance to breed
 

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I greatly enjoyed the Rubicon pics. I look forward to being a passenger soon and someday having a rig that can make the run.
Glad you liked the pics. There were plenty of open seats this year, it shouldn't be too hard to catch a ride next.

Here is some more good reading.

http://www.rockcrusher4x4.com/Rubicon.htm

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....Mike
 

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From Del Albright....

Later,
....Mike

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The Rubicon Trail Famous Spider Lake Closes Again!
When Will We Get Management Rather Than Closures?
by Del Albright, BlueRibbon Ambassador and FOTR Trail Boss



For the second year in a row, Spider Lake of the Rubicon Trail has been closed to motor vehicle access. This time it's for resource damage. Last year (2004) it was for human waste. The closure is smaller this year, but once again, Spider Lake has been closed to us while really no management has occurred to fix any of the problems that Friends of the Rubicon (FOTR) has been pointing out to the USDA Forest Service and various County officials for years!

Citing resource damage (ie. vehicles driving over rocks and bushes, and getting off the trail), the Eldorado National Forest (not El Dorado County) has once again shut us out of Spider Lake. Admittedly, this time it's only our vehicles that can't get into the vicinity of Spider Lake. Last year, even walking in the area was prohibited because of the human waste issues. This year, the Forest Service is concerned that continued resource damage, as well as pollutants from our vehicles, will degrade and possibly contaminate the lake. Last year it was thought that the human waste would cause fecal coliform contamination in the lake (it didn't because we cleaned it up).

NOTE: Last year the closure was for possible human waste contamination that NEVER panned out. There was no impact to the lake -- no bacteria found. Also, last year the closure was initiated by El Dorado County, followed by a Forest Order from the Eldorado National Forest. This year (2005) it was only the Eldorado National Forest issuing a Forest Order.

Here's the deal:
1. FOTR has invested over 10,000 hours of labor into the trail since 2001. Hundreds of thousands of dollars of OHV Trust Fund money have gone into the trail -- mostly sponsored by El Dorado County.
2. FOTR has offered up many solutions to both the County and the USDA Forest Service. Not nearly enough has been done by either agency, especially the Forest Service to MANAGE the Rubicon Trail and especially Spider Lake.
3. Spider Lake (USFS property and private property) still does not have any designation routes to and from; it has no designated camping areas; it has no signs telling us what can and can't be done; it has no management of the Little Sluice area even though the two are directly connected and many agency personnel feel that the Sluice exacerbates the Spider Lake problems due to human use concentration.
4. FOTR has said many times that Emergency Closures should be reserved for when management fails. There has not been nearly enough management of the famous Rubicon Trail to warrant closures like this. It is time for management.

Read more here: http://www.delalbright.com/Rubicon/spider_05.htm

Please spread the word. Email me if you have any questions.
thanks, Del





Del Albright
BlueRibbon Ambassador, BlueRibbon Coalition Life Member
State Environmental Affairs Coordinator, CA4WDC
Trail Boss, Friends of the Rubicon (FOTR)
PO BOX 127, Mokelumne Hill, CA 95245-0127
Del's Web Site: http://www.delalbright.com/
Sponsored by: the BlueRibbon Coalition; with support from the Off-Road Business Association (ORBA).
 
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