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From what I understand people choose to go for a SAS to get a more duriable and Lockable front Dif. "if this is inncorect, please enlighten me"

Well a few questions.....

Without Lifting the truck, which would have the better ground clearence, the Stock IFS or the swapped in soild axel?

Which setup is going to be heavier?

All the trucks I have seen that have done a SAS, have a sizeable lift, is that lift required, or do they just want it?

I know Hmmwv's are not Tacomas, but I do know that they have Independent front and rear Suspention which I belive have Locking Dif's. If a Hmmwv can locking difs with indepent suspention, why cant a Tacoma???
 

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(1)From what I understand people choose to go for a SAS to get a more duriable and Lockable front Dif. "if this is inncorect, please enlighten me" Well a few questions..... (2)Without Lifting the truck, which would have the better ground clearence, the Stock IFS or the swapped in soild axel? (3)Which setup is going to be heavier? (4)All the trucks I have seen that have done a SAS, have a sizeable lift, is that lift required, or do they just want it? (5)I know Hmmwv's are not Tacomas, but I do know that they have Independent front and rear Suspention which I belive have Locking Dif's. If a Hmmwv can locking difs with indepent suspention, why cant a Tacoma???
(1) People usually choose to SAS for a variety of reasons. It has much more available articulation, it allows for much larger lifts for larger tires than IFS would allow, it looks damn sexy, it allows them to go places IFS won't (or at least a lot easier and with a lot smaller chance of breaking something), etc. But being able to be locked isn't a reason. Lockers are available for the stock Taco front diff.

(2) I would assume the solid axle would provide more clearance, but I'm not positive, somebody could verify/refute. Nobody doing a SAS is going to do so without a lift, though, so that's kind of a trivial question.

(3) Solid axle would be heavier.

(4) Large tires require large lift. I guess if you don't want larger tires (usually 35"+) then there's not a need for much lift. But there's not much point in doing an SAS if you aren't gonna want at least 6"+ of lift and at least 35's.

(5) Tacomas can. ARB, Lockrite, and others off various lockers for the Tacoma front diff.
 

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As far as Ground clearence difference, I was not thinking of body clearence, but clearence underneeth the truck between the wheels.

Thanks for the feed back.
 

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John Doe said:
As far as Ground clearence difference, I was not thinking of body clearence, but clearence underneeth the truck between the wheels.

Thanks for the feed back.
That's exactly what he's talking about.
 

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As far as Ground clearence difference, I was not thinking of body clearence, but clearence underneeth the truck between the wheels. Thanks for the feed back.
I was talking about ground clearance. SAS has nothing to do with the body. If you want body clearance, you use a body lift.
 

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John Doe said:
From what I understand people choose to go for a SAS to get a more duriable and Lockable front Dif. "if this is inncorect, please enlighten me"

Well a few questions.....

Without Lifting the truck, which would have the better ground clearence, the Stock IFS or the swapped in soild axel?

Which setup is going to be heavier?

All the trucks I have seen that have done a SAS, have a sizeable lift, is that lift required, or do they just want it?

I know Hmmwv's are not Tacomas, but I do know that they have Independent front and rear Suspention which I belive have Locking Dif's. If a Hmmwv can locking difs with indepent suspention, why cant a Tacoma???
Most people do axle swaps on Tacomas for articulation and stronger suspension/drivetrain components.

It's all about keeping all the tires firmly planted on the ground giving you traction. You also need lockers for this part.

Some people do axle swaps because it's the "in" thing to do and they have more money than brains. Whatever, you will see the well thought out rigs at the end of the trail in one piece because their owners know how to work on them.

As far as hummers go, the military versions are pretty cool. The H2 versions are gay mall runners hardly worthy of leaving the pavement.

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As far as hummers go, the military versions are pretty cool. The H2 versions are gay mall runners hardly worthy of leaving the pavement.
I completly agree. I dispise the H2's, I was mainly thinking of the military and the H1 versions.

Thanks for the feed back guys, you cleared up the info nicely
 

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Are you in the More Articulation camp or the More Money than Brains but Want to be Cool camp, Mike?
 

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Are you in the More Articulation camp or the More Money than Brains but Want to be Cool camp, Mike?
I see you got to Dean. I saw some pics of his truck with the air bumps under there! Baliiiiiiiiiiiiiiing! :D

If it turns out as well as your rig did, he is gonna have lots of fun out on the trail!

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John Doe said:
As far as Ground clearence difference, I was not thinking of body clearence, but clearence underneeth the truck between the wheels.

Thanks for the feed back.
For the clearance underneath, assuming both trucks are running the same size tire the IFS will actually have more clearance between the wheels. The solid axle has a pumpkin that hangs down below the center point of the wheel but the IFS diff is tucked up and the CV's angle down to the center of the wheel.
 

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That there is what is called funtional bling.:D When I talked to him yesterday he was happier than a pig in mud. He still has a couple of issues to address before I'll get off of his chest though.

He may take it for a shake down in Hollister this weekend. You commin?

We gotta get that Meet and Greet setup up so you can come to the South Bay and get the money, too.;)

Now, answer the question that I asked you. :xdevil:
 

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Dick Foster said:
Now, answer the question that I asked you. :xdevil:
I don't think there is much of anything on my rig that could be classified as bling, except the shower maybe. :D

When I said more money than brains, I wasn't talking specifically about any Tacoma, but rather the blinging rigs you sometimes run into out on the trail where the driver doesn't have any tools, spare parts, or the knowledge to fix the rig when it breaks.

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Dean couldn't be happier with how his truck performs! I went to his house yesterday and we flexed it out, definately had more to go we just ran out of ramp space. Hollister this weekend is on!!! You should come Mike!
 

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Yeah, we all need to get out on the trail a little. Too much web wheeling lately. It would probably be good to shake out the truck and get a little practice before AZ rocks anyway.
 

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Those pictures showing the difference in Articulation between the IFS and SAS, they relly put things into perspective.


When I said more money than brains, I wasn't talking specifically about any Tacoma, but rather the blinging rigs you sometimes run into out on the trail where the driver doesn't have any tools, spare parts, or the knowledge to fix the rig when it breaks.
To some leval most people are like that at some point in time, though I would hope they grow/ learn there way out of it. I know I will be like that for a little, just not to an extreme leval.
 

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Those pics are sweet. Couldn't you mod out an IFS so it could articulate just as well? Or is cost the big factor there?
It has a lot to do with cost. I'd say it has more to do with durability, though. IFS is generally weaker, especially the axles.
 

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IFS will do 99% of what 95% of people say it wont do. Ive learned this through the past 3-4 years ive been wheeling. Its all in building your rig correctly, and learning to drive and work on what you have. For example, this year at GSMTR i completed Lower 2 at tellico on an IFS taco with 36 inch swampers, and 6 inches of lift. Completed it with minimal trouble and no winching. Leaving many other rigs behind, most of which were overbuilt(1 ton axles, lockers, crawlers....yadda yadda yadda) and underdriven. Wheel what you have, then some more. Sometimes when Im on this board it disgusts me to see the people "sas'n" their rigs, that have no idea what real wheeling is in the first place. Its a fad in my opinion. Yes, there are more than a couple here who do wheel the piss out of their rigs, and use up every bit of articulation and traction their rigs can offer, and i respect those people.

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Uneasy Rider said:
Those pics are sweet. Couldn't you mod out an IFS so it could articulate just as well? Or is cost the big factor there?
even with long-travel you can't get the amount of front articulation that a well build SA rig will have. But...you can get some darn good flex with a $4500 LT setup ;) ...ask Jesse at TLT.
 
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