That is correctsynovus said:
no more bilsteins, what else???
ok it seems like everyone is out of bils and it over a month wait just to possibly get some. is there any shock comperable to a bilstein that maybe isnt as pricey. ive searched the forum and all everyone says is bilstein HDs which is nice, but how about us peeps that cant get a hold of any. my lift kit is waiting on rear shocks and i cant wait any longer, so what shock would be close to a Bilstein and not a load of cash to get???? i have a 2" AAL in the rear any my truck is a 2002 prerunner v6.
any help would rule.
thanks
-darren
any help would rule.
thanks
-darren
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do i need that bushing as well like i needed for the bilsteins for the rear shock or are these N94's ok with how they come???
My N85's came with bushings that fit. I got mine from Wheeler's but I don't know if they put the right bushings in there, or if they are all like that.
ok, i got a fabtech AAL, and getting the OME shocks will be ok right? just on the ordering the page it says "OME N94 Rear Shock Set for Above Leaf Springs" i guess thats what i need right, its not only for an OME setup is it?? i can use it with my fabtech AAL?? i just got a little confused with the "above the leaf springs" because i m new to the lift game and wanna make sure i can use these. i got 2" AAL in the rear, are these the right size too for me??
sorry for so many questions, i just hate ordering the wrong stuff and having to return things.
thanks again, this is the last time.hahaa
sorry for so many questions, i just hate ordering the wrong stuff and having to return things.
thanks again, this is the last time.hahaa
the OME shocks are meant for a 2" lift so you'll be fine. However, you will need a BPV (brake proportioning valve) extension bracket and a longer rear brake line.ocdp2000 said:ok, i got a fabtech AAL, and getting the OME shocks will be ok right? just on the ordering the page it says "OME N94 Rear Shock Set for Above Leaf Springs" i guess thats what i need right, its not only for an OME setup is it?? i can use it with my fabtech AAL?? i just got a little confused with the "above the leaf springs" because i m new to the lift game and wanna make sure i can use these. i got 2" AAL in the rear, are these the right size too for me??
sorry for so many questions, i just hate ordering the wrong stuff and having to return things.
thanks again, this is the last time.hahaa
They should come with the OME bushings...ocdp2000 said:do i need that bushing as well like i needed for the bilsteins for the rear shock or are these N94's ok with how they come???
According to Wheeler's and other sources, the OME's (at least the N85's I got for the rear) work for my 2-3/4" lift in the rear.hytenor said:the OME shocks are meant for a 2" lift so you'll be fine. However, you will need a BPV (brake proportioning valve) extension bracket and a longer rear brake line.
the list goes on for things ill need. which ones do i need and how do i get a hold of them, can i pick them up at pep boys or is this another online order. if anyone knows which ones i need for my 2002 prerunner (part number or anything ) and where i can get some in Southern california or online please help.hytenor said:the OME shocks are meant for a 2" lift so you'll be fine. However, you will need a BPV (brake proportioning valve) extension bracket and a longer rear brake line.
thanks endlessly
-darren
If you're getting the OME shocks thru Wheeler's ask them if they have the BPV bracket and longer rear brake line; they probably do. Or you can always just make your own BPV bracket. Here's a pic from hytenor's photos, showing the bracket (click this sentence). The bracket is that vertical metal plate. Basically, you just need a strip of aluminum plate (Home Depot, Lowes, etc.), into which you'll drill two pairs of holes. The bottom holes will be where the bracket bolts into the axle housing, and the top ones will be where the BPV bolts onto the bracket. The distance between the top holes and the bottom holes should be equal to the amount of rear lift (makes sense, huh?).ocdp2000 said:the list goes on for things ill need. which ones do i need and how do i get a hold of them, can i pick them up at pep boys or is this another online order. if anyone knows which ones i need for my 2002 prerunner (part number or anything ) and where i can get some in Southern california or online please help.thanks endlessly-darren
If Wheeler's doesn't have the longer rear brake line, then try Cornfed, or ToyTec, or Kartek.com, or any number of other off-road shops. Hopefully somebody else will chime in with a good place to get one, though. (I'm too tired to google it right now...LOL)
wheelers has both but you can make a bracket for a couple of bucks if you have a drillocdp2000 said:the list goes on for things ill need. which ones do i need and how do i get a hold of them, can i pick them up at pep boys or is this another online order. if anyone knows which ones i need for my 2002 prerunner (part number or anything ) and where i can get some in Southern california or online please help.
thanks endlessly
-darren
for the brake line, get a 24" one. I think Wheeler's is only 18" which is fine for a 2" lift but we never have enough lift, so...
http://www.xtremecrawlers.com/
http://www.norcalttora.com/~chris/mods/BPV/photos/photo_3.html
I don't know if anyone has said it but 5150's are out from bilstien. the 5100's are still on back oder.ocdp2000 said:ok it seems like everyone is out of bils and it over a month wait just to possibly get some. is there any shock comperable to a bilstein that maybe isnt as pricey. ive searched the forum and all everyone says is bilstein HDs which is nice, but how about us peeps that cant get a hold of any. my lift kit is waiting on rear shocks and i cant wait any longer, so what shock would be close to a Bilstein and not a load of cash to get???? i have a 2" AAL in the rear any my truck is a 2002 prerunner v6.
any help would rule.
thanks
-darren
just for everyone's info,hytenor said:here are the part#s and specs for the 5150s: $200ea.
Part Number Travel Description Valving Reservoir Ext Length Col Length Shaft
Dia Mounting
BF5-A194-H1 6.48 5150 Crossflow 255/70 Attached 18.78 12.30 14mm eye/eye
BF5-A195-H1 8.33 5150 Crossflow 255/70 Attached 22.50 14.17 14mm eye/eye
BF5-A196-H0 10.02 5150 Crossflow 170/60 Attached 25.91 15.89 14mm eye/eye
BF5-A196-H1 10.02 5150 Crossflow 255/70 Attached 25.91 15.89 14mm eye/eye
BF5-A197-H0 11.50 5150 Crossflow 170/60 Attached 27.99 16.50 14mm eye/eye
BF5-A187-H0 11.93 5150 Crossflow 170/60 Attached 29.70 17.78 14mm eye/eye
BF5-A187-H1 11.93 5150 Crossflow 255/70 Attached 29.70 17.78 14mm eye/eye
BF5-A198-H0 14.53 5150 Crossflow 170/60 Attached 34.90 20.37 14mm eye/eye
BF5-A198-H1 14.53 5150 Crossflow 255/70 Attached 34.90 20.37 14mm eye/eye
Stock is 6", I believe so the 8.33" model whould work for a 2" lift.
past that you'll need over 4.5" for the next size up or you can bottom them out and possibly snap off a shock mount...not good.
These shocks are great, I run them, but their sizes are very limited.
It is also suggested to run the lighter valving (170/60) and the choices are even more limited. I have the 196 and 197 HOs with 4.5" of rear lift. The driver's side shock is still a tad too long.
Another possibility is the 5125s: not sure on price
Part Number Travel Description Valving Reservoir Ext Length Col Length Shaft
Dia Mounting
BE5-6251-H5 6.63 5125 Off-Road 255/70 N/A 18.50 12.03 14mm eye/eye
BE5-6252-H5 8.13 5125 Off-Road 255/70 N/A 21.54 13.58 14mm eye/eye
BE5-6253-H5 8.60 5125 Off-Road 255/70 N/A 22.50 14.06 14mm eye/eye
BE5-A463-H5 9.24 5125 Off-Road 255/70 N/A 24.35 15.11 14mm eye/eye
BE5-A464-H5 10.17 5125 Off-Road 170/60 N/A 25.93 15.91 14mm eye/eye
BE5-6248-H5 10.17 5125 Off-Road 255/70 N/A 25.93 15.91 14mm eye/eye
BE5-A465-H5 11.00 5125 Off-Road 170/60 N/A 28.01 17.00 14mm eye/eye
BE5-A465-H7 11.00 5125 Off-Road 255/70 N/A 28.01 17.00 14mm eye/eye
BE5-6249-H5 11.94 5125 Off-Road 255/70 N/A 29.70 17.91 14mm eye/eye
but, again, they have a limited selection in the lighter valved units. However, for a 2 or 3" lift, you at least have more sizes.
Try posting the question to 5125 owners too.
OME N85s are $212/pr new.
you might also look into Rancho's 9000 series adjustables...stay away from the 5000s
i have the 8.3" travel 5150's with my alcan 3" lift leafs, which are hard as hell. on my last trip to utah, i bottomed out several times and finally the driver's side shock broke right at the eyelet (the one where you have to bolt on and locktite).
when i came home, i got another set from david v. put them on, and a few days later the upper shock mount broke off on the street.
moral of the story, the shock on the driver side was TOO LONG without longer bumpstops. i have since installed longer bumpstops but have not had the opportunity to see if they are long enough.
ahh you guys are awesome, thanks for all the help, ill go ahead and order everything today ,and i think my checklist is now done. hahaa and i can get my lift installed. then tires n wheels, cb, the list goes on. i just wanna get on a trail so bad. ill let you guys know how everything goes and thanks once again.synovus said:If you're getting the OME shocks thru Wheeler's ask them if they have the BPV bracket and longer rear brake line; they probably do. Or you can always just make your own BPV bracket. Here's a pic from hytenor's photos, showing the bracket (click this sentence). The bracket is that vertical metal plate. Basically, you just need a strip of aluminum plate (Home Depot, Lowes, etc.), into which you'll drill two pairs of holes. The bottom holes will be where the bracket bolts into the axle housing, and the top ones will be where the BPV bolts onto the bracket. The distance between the top holes and the bottom holes should be equal to the amount of rear lift (makes sense, huh?).
If Wheeler's doesn't have the longer rear brake line, then try Cornfed, or ToyTec, or Kartek.com, or any number of other off-road shops. Hopefully somebody else will chime in with a good place to get one, though. (I'm too tired to google it right now...LOL)
-darren
wow, that sucks. I'm surprised they bottomed out with 3" of lift; those springs must have great flex.peekay331 said:just for everyone's info,
i have the 8.3" travel 5150's with my alcan 3" lift leafs, which are hard as hell. on my last trip to utah, i bottomed out several times and finally the driver's side shock broke right at the eyelet (the one where you have to bolt on and locktite).
when i came home, i got another set from david v. put them on, and a few days later the upper shock mount broke off on the street.
moral of the story, the shock on the driver side was TOO LONG without longer bumpstops. i have since installed longer bumpstops but have not had the opportunity to see if they are long enough.
Where did you find longer bumpstops?
the moral of the story...get measurements before you order...and write them correctly (unlike me).
So, what is going on with Bilstein?? Are they just discontinuing shocks for Tacomas? It sounds like they have some major issues to solve.cb77DEMELLO said:I don't know if anyone has said it but 5150's are out from bilstien. the 5100's are still on back oder.
Here is the deal on shock length!hytenor said:So, what is going on with Bilstein?? Are they just discontinuing shocks for Tacomas? It sounds like they have some major issues to solve.
The compressed length of the shock is determined by bump stop position!
Any amount of lift via leaf spring or shackle DOES NOT change bump stop position so you can not run a longer compressed length without the possibility of bottoming the shock before the bump stops.
Up till now the best shock available was the Bilstien 5100 series 6252 for the left and 6253 for the right. As you know this shock is on national back order.
This is still not the Perfect shock for the application just the best so far. These are NOT “Tacoma” specific shocks, they are general application off road shocks. The compressed length of this shock is still a little to long, you can bottom out these shocks if you get into the bump stops hard. Also the valving although good, has some room for improvement. In addition the advertised #’s on length and travel are off a little, they are a little longer compressed (making bottom out worse) and have a little less travel, the extended lengths are correct though.
So
Hears the deal, we needed to make a shock that is shorter compressed so that it doesn’t bottom out, but when you make it shorter you also loose travel and you loose extended length limiting the droop of the suspension(look at the stock shocks, they hardly have any travel)
The solution:
By making a remote reservoir shock we can take the nitrogen chamber out of the main body of the shock and put it in the reservoir. This gives us more room inside the shock for a longer shaft, we can now regain the lost travel AND add some additional travel! The result is a shock that doesn’t bottom out AND has more suspension droop and travel. Plus with the reservoir you have more heat capacity to drive the shock harder without fade, and you are cooler than your friends because you have reservoir shocks! This is as good as it gets in the stock mounts!!!!!!!!
I am fine tuning the valving today and we are starting production on them Friday. They should be available to ship in about 6 weeks. They will also feature nitro steel shafts and clear power coated body for corrosion resistance and a stainless braided reservoir hose!
P.S.
If you are going to use something else DO NOT go longer than a 6252 and 6253 on the compressed length unless you are using a block.
L= 13.6 compressed (6252)
R= 14.1 compressed (6253)
Remember these can still bottom out if you drive them hard.
the springs are hard as hell. it takes quite a bit to bottom them out, but not impossible, especially with the rig loaded up with camping gear, 50 gallons of fuel, 15 gallons of water, 2 80lb dogs, etc.hytenor said:wow, that sucks. I'm surprised they bottomed out with 3" of lift; those springs must have great flex.
Where did you find longer bumpstops?
the moral of the story...get measurements before you order...and write them correctly (unlike me).
i ghetto rigged the bump stops. instead of getting longer ones (which i was unable to find), i got a short aftermarket set (1" or so) and mounted them on the frame side. this way, the stock bump stop and aftermarket one hits each other during full compression.
Ok, so something similar to the 5150s?DylanDr said:Here is the deal on shock length!
The compressed length of the shock is determined by bump stop position!
Any amount of lift via leaf spring or shackle DOES NOT change bump stop position so you can not run a longer compressed length without the possibility of bottoming the shock before the bump stops.
Up till now the best shock available was the Bilstien 5100 series 6252 for the left and 6253 for the right. As you know this shock is on national back order.
This is still not the Perfect shock for the application just the best so far. These are NOT “Tacoma” specific shocks, they are general application off road shocks. The compressed length of this shock is still a little to long, you can bottom out these shocks if you get into the bump stops hard. Also the valving although good, has some room for improvement. In addition the advertised #’s on length and travel are off a little, they are a little longer compressed (making bottom out worse) and have a little less travel, the extended lengths are correct though.
So
Hears the deal, we needed to make a shock that is shorter compressed so that it doesn’t bottom out, but when you make it shorter you also loose travel and you loose extended length limiting the droop of the suspension(look at the stock shocks, they hardly have any travel)
The solution:
By making a remote reservoir shock we can take the nitrogen chamber out of the main body of the shock and put it in the reservoir. This gives us more room inside the shock for a longer shaft, we can now regain the lost travel AND add some additional travel! The result is a shock that doesn’t bottom out AND has more suspension droop and travel. Plus with the reservoir you have more heat capacity to drive the shock harder without fade, and you are cooler than your friends because you have reservoir shocks! This is as good as it gets in the stock mounts!!!!!!!!
I am fine tuning the valving today and we are starting production on them Friday. They should be available to ship in about 6 weeks. They will also feature nitro steel shafts and clear power coated body for corrosion resistance and a stainless braided reservoir hose!
P.S.
If you are going to use something else DO NOT go longer than a 6252 and 6253 on the compressed length unless you are using a block.
L= 13.6 compressed (6252)
R= 14.1 compressed (6253)
Remember these can still bottom out if you drive them hard.
ok ok one last question, i think im going to change out my original Bils that came with my truck in the front, they have 50k miles on them now since im getting a spacer lift in the front this would be the perfect time right??? Can i also get the OME shocks for the front for my truck as well??? or are those just for the coilover kits?? im doing the 3inch spacer lift with them so is this ok???lastly should i get the softer rides for the front too or should i get the stiffer ones?? im never going to add a winch or anything else to the front. which ones do you recommend or can i run them at all??
OME shocks are designed to go with OME coils. they are not an adjustable coilover system like Sway Away or Donahoe. We technically have a "coilover" type front suspension (the coil goes over the shock) but when you see the term posted here it is usually refering to the adjustables.ocdp2000 said:ok ok one last question, i think im going to change out my original Bils that came with my truck in the front, they have 50k miles on them now since im getting a spacer lift in the front this would be the perfect time right??? Can i also get the OME shocks for the front for my truck as well??? or are those just for the coilover kits?? im doing the 3inch spacer lift with them so is this ok???lastly should i get the softer rides for the front too or should i get the stiffer ones?? im never going to add a winch or anything else to the front. which ones do you recommend or can i run them at all??
If you want to replace your front shocks and plan on keeping your stock coils, just get some of the aftermarket HD Bilsteins. any of the suppliers that have previously been mentioned will know which part # you need.
A spacer lift will give a rought ride; that's the way it goes. Using "softer" shocks won't change that.
If you want a better ride with just coils and shocks (non-adjustable), look at the OME 881s or 882s and N91s shocks. these two coils offer about 1.5" and 2.5" respectively, after settling. Adding spacers to the 881 is "ok" up to 1" or so but spacers are not recommended with the 882s as they become over preloaded and sag fast.
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