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I was wondering what everyone's thoughts on weld on compared to bolt on sliders are . I thinks in some states its against the law to weld on the frame , and if you trade it (at a steelership) would they have problems with the sliders on , or the grind marks from removing them?
So I'm thinking of getting bolt on ones , any sugestions of where to buy them? :confused:
 

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Demello and Bent Up both make them, I think Bent Ups are a bit less expensive. There are a few others out there that make them as well.
 

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my only scary thought is the warping of the frame with weld ons, theres too many variables on a vehicle to determine where the stress points are, or where its going to want to bend. if u dont know what ur doing then ur at risk, but yes a lot of people have done it and havent had any problems, thats just my view
 

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If you decide to go weld on, just excercise some discresion. You don't want some hack welding sliders onto your frame. Not to say weld on is bad, but you've gotta make sure whoever is doing the welding is responsible. I lucked out and had a friend who could legally sign off on any frame welds.
 

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I have thought about this a bit, I have looked at the designs available for bolt on sliders, and well....... I think they lack a some in reliability when compared to weld on sliders.

Here is what I think, I hope it isn't inflamatory, just an opinion based on personal experience.

Self tapping screws in an aplication where there is bound to be quite a bit of flexing and movement such as sliders, is not a good thing, eventually they are going to come loose or fall out. Ya just can't torque down a self tapper like you can a grade 5 1/2 inch bolt.

It seems several designs on the market with bolt on sliders take this route, for ease of installation and I believe ease in fabrication, but I don't think it makes for as strong of a bracket attachment as welding.

I am not 100% sure what the best answer is for a bolt on slider that is easy to install, easy to fabricate, and doesn't crush the frame, or use self tappers that will fall out next year, if not by the end of this year if the slider is used repeatedly each month.

While welding has its own down sides ie you can't just hack weld them on there as some one else suggested, and if you want them off for repair or sale you have to grind them off which can be a pita even with a small grinder. But they are are solidly on the frame, which means they flex with the frame, there isn't anything to "torque" down so nothing can come loose unless the frame or slider catastrophically fails.

The thought that I am mulling over for my sliders is a combination of the two types of brackets. Making a weld on bracket with bolts welded onto the face of the bracket. The bracket would be made out of 3/8s or 1/2 inch, it would go across the full width of the frame for 8-10 inches in 3-4 spots along the frame. I would use large 1/2 inch or greater mild steel bolts to make it easy to weld them into the bracket. Then the slider could be bolted to the bracket that was welded on the frame, therefor easy removal of the slider, but a bolt on design that could be torqued down decent enough to not work loose, not crush the frame, and still reliable.

Anyways some thoughts or ideas on the subject.
 

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I was wondering what everyone's thoughts on weld on compared to bolt on sliders are . I thinks in some states its against the law to weld on the frame , and if you trade it (at a steelership) would they have problems with the sliders on , or the grind marks from removing them?
So I'm thinking of getting bolt on ones , any sugestions of where to buy them? :confused:
I ended up converting my bolt ons to weld ons once I saw how much flex they had under pressure.. I also added another support...
 

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Thanks for the input guys,I agree the weld on's should be a bit sturdier , and no chance of loosening, now to find sliders I like and a good shop to weld them on...
Oh and I called the DMV in NJ , they said as long as the welds are not repairs to the frame no problem.
And I found this , it's not a complete list but shows some options.
http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/sliders/
 
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