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some guy posted this in a colorado forum. tell me this is a joke so that i can shut him up


red, black and white factory paint from Toyota usually aren't clear coated...thats why those colors usually look so faded and oxidized on older Toyotas.
clear coat wasn't that common for finishing factory paint back in '95 either!


hes telling me that even white on a 99 taco isn't clearcoated at all........
 

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tacotoy said:
some guy posted this in a colorado forum. tell me this is a joke so that i can shut him up


red, black and white factory paint from Toyota usually aren't clear coated...thats why those colors usually look so faded and oxidized on older Toyotas.
clear coat wasn't that common for finishing factory paint back in '95 either!


hes telling me that even white on a 99 taco isn't clearcoated at all........
Well, he's been around for a few years, and has posted quite a bit, but in this case he is wrong. Those colors are prone to fading for several different reasons, and generally speaking the care given has as large impact on this as the environment does.

He seems pretty reasonable, but if suggesting he's mistaken turns into an internet bitchfest, the easieat way to show him the difference between paint with clear & paint without is to examine the paint in the engine area- the core support is easiest to see the difference because it bolts against a fender which was cleared.
 

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It's simple, get some polish and a white cloth, rub a bit of polish on the paint with the cloth vigorusly and then look at the cloth...if you see the color of the paint on the cloth it's not clear coated, if you don't see the the color of paint and only see the polish color it is clear coated. I guess white would be a litte more tricky but i'm sure you can figure that out.
 

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Chris,
never heard back from you so I'm assuming the Fabtech is spoken for?
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It is true that some older Toyota trucks weren't clearcoated. What colors and what years? Some whites and reds pre-'95... Beyond those examples, I don't know for sure...

There's a similar but separate issue. Some of the more recent Tacoma paints are claimed to be 'multi-coat' (or something like that) - they're applied with multiple coats of (different) paint materials.
 

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were talking about a 95.5 metalic red taco and a 99 white taco......... i know that mine is cleared because ive done the thingy with the polish(black rag!) and came off the same creme color..... i didn't want to turn this into an internet bitchfest...... i just hate someone telling me the wrong stuff
 

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My 1998 Tacoma was the Black Sand Pearl and IT WAS CLEAR COATED
I just didn't taqke good care of it and it lost all of its protection after a few years, washing it and not waxing it really ruined the finish, ended up being real dull
I just decided to Rhino line the whole exterior and a auto body shop sprayed it with a no-name brand that I am very happy with to this day, almost 2 years later
 

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were talking about a 95.5 metalic red taco and a 99 white taco......... i know that mine is cleared because ive done the thingy with the polish(black rag!) and came off the same creme color..... i didn't want to turn this into an internet bitchfest...... i just hate someone telling me the wrong stuff
I don't either Rich...if you had a problem with what I stated, tell me about it instead of dragging it here...

I could have had a chance to clarifiy a few thing first...
when you posted you said 95 red...not metallic red 95.5...metallic paints will generally have a clear coat most commonly but that is not a guarantee...96 and newer vehicles more commonly have clear coats...

my truck is Horizon blue metallic "and there is no clear coat on it"...
Edit: meant to say there is a clear coat...I have no clear coat on the brain LOL!

either your dealer window sticker(if you kept it) or a trip to the parts counter at the dealership to pull up the paint code will settle this...
I have never seen a white touch up kit go out the door with a color bottle and a clear bottle..white is generally a pigment that doesn't need the addition of a clear coat!

after looking thru http://duplicolor.anthonythomas.com/match2/match_maker.cgi
not all the colors are represented and not all of the ones they list get clear coat in the touch up kits even though they say they need them (they are covering their butts)!

...if some white vehicles with out a pearl or metallic are now getting clear coats from the factory then I'm wrong! from just looking at your truck it didn't appear to have a clear coat! which was a mute point any way because your experience was not from the white truck!

also if their was an additional semantics issue here then I'm sorry for allowing that! clear coats and top coats can be different things!

for what you where telling Chris about his truck you where off the mark...if you have a clear coat it was on before the decals where added and taking them off shouldn't remove any of the clear coat and adding clear coat will not make up the difference between faded and unfaded pigment and adding a layer of paint can make things worse!
 

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It's simple, get some polish and a white cloth, rub a bit of polish on the paint with the cloth vigorusly and then look at the cloth...if you see the color of the paint on the cloth it's not clear coated, if you don't see the the color of paint and only see the polish color it is clear coated. I guess white would be a litte more tricky but i'm sure you can figure that out.
you're right white is tricky!!
 

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It is true that some older Toyota trucks weren't clearcoated. What colors and what years? Some whites and reds pre-'95... Beyond those examples, I don't know for sure...

There's a similar but separate issue. Some of the more recent Tacoma paints are claimed to be 'multi-coat' (or something like that) - they're applied with multiple coats of (different) paint materials.
it wasn't just trucks...it was red white and black pre '96 toyotas....

there are semantics issues....such as clear coat, top coat and multi coat....

my truck is Horizon Blue Metallic
edit: "there is no clear coat" woops there is a clear coat which is what I meant to say. I am so used to saying there isn't a clear coat in these recent posts

..it's be thru the body shop twice to confirm it and I have mixed the paint myself to reaffirm it!

there is a polymer sealant on my truck as well and that is what keeps the blue pigment from bleeding of/fading not the clear coat!
 

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Well, he's been around for a few years, and has posted quite a bit, but in this case he is wrong. Those colors are prone to fading for several different reasons, and generally speaking the care given has as large impact on this as the environment does.

He seems pretty reasonable, but if suggesting he's mistaken turns into an internet bitchfest, the easieat way to show him the difference between paint with clear & paint without is to examine the paint in the engine area- the core support is easiest to see the difference because it bolts against a fender which was cleared.
I hope I am reasonable...

instead of the guess work though why not pull the color code from the vehicle and take it to the parts counter at the dealership...I may be wrong about his white truck..it doesn't appear to have a true clear coat from examining it. I've looked under the hood of his truck...white trucks are tricky but his is faded and clear coat oxidizes with out the pigment fading usually!

Edit: the presents of a polymer sealant will also keep the paints pigment from bleeding off on a rag or fading!

I am just trying to clarify a few things...I've been lead to believe the problem specific to the pre 96 red white and black toyotas was more than environmental and care...I was doing detailers work at a dealership at the time and even under great care there where issues with those colors...still are to some extent it seams more a factor of formulation...and yes extra care should be payed to them and most every car on the road IMO!

not trying to make this a pissing contest, again I am just trying to help out and clarify if at all possible...I am maybe to detail oriented for internet posting but I do it anyway...I always seem to get flack when the talk is general or rule of thumb!
again it may be a semantics issue for what people understand to be a clear coat if it is my apologies!
 

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He's welcome to come look at the back of the cab on my white 99 Taco where the clear coat is chipping off. And the hood of my red 95.5 taco that has clear coat peeling in the center.

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i simply came here to ask a wider knowledge base. i wanted to know for my own personal benefit than anything
 

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He's welcome to come look at the back of the cab on my white 99 Taco where the clear coat is chipping off. And the hood of my red 95.5 taco that has clear coat peeling in the center.

Tim
again it was '95 and earlier toyotas....of the specified colors!
The half year models are usually going to see the conditions of the following years so I include them as '96

Why is just the clear coat peeling off your trucks?
usually if one layer of paint is coming off the others will come with it?

the paint from the factory is thinner than a finger nail...if the clear coat was painted on thick enough to chip with out taking the other layers you probably would have seen spider web like cracking like is happening to the paint on my topper before it had a chance to peel!
edit: http://www.duplicolor.com/match/codefinder/2002-import-toyota.html
if you look at the dupli color site I posted earlier in the thread you can see the instructions for finding your paint codes...I would be interested in checking them to see if what you are experiencing is a common problem!
 

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tacotoy said:
i simply came here to ask a wider knowledge base. i wanted to know for my own personal benefit than anything
good, then are we clear?

if not, lets pull your paint codes and then I can shut up!
 

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again it was '95 and earlier toyotas....of the specified colors!
The half year models are usually going to see the conditions of the following years so I include them as '96

Why is just the clear coat peeling off your trucks?
usually if one layer of paint is coming off the others will come with it?

the paint from the factory is thinner than a finger nail...if the clear coat was painted on thick enough to chip with out taking the other layers you probably would have seen spider web like cracking like is happening to the paint on my topper before it had a chance to peel!
edit: http://www.duplicolor.com/match/codefinder/2002-import-toyota.html
if you look at the dupli color site I posted earlier in the thread you can see the instructions for finding your paint codes...I would be interested in checking them to see if what you are experiencing is a common problem!
The 95.5 had a light engine fire at one time and I suspect that as the reason for the peeling. The 99 I couldnt tell ya, I've owned since new and ritually waxed it, no body damage or paint repair in that area. Noticed last summer during waxing I had a small patch peeling, hasnt gotten any worse. I put edge sealer over it to protect the paint and stop any further peeling.

95.5 is 3ES55 Super Red II
99 is 40 Super White II
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bluetaco said:
Why is just the clear coat peeling off your trucks?
usually if one layer of paint is coming off the others will come with it?
Well, I have no idea about Toyota specific paint, but I have seen many older GM cars with the clear coat flaking off without disrupting the color coats beneath. Some have been recalled due to an (obvious) issue with the clear coat not bonding correctly to the base coat.
 

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I'm convinced my '00 red Tacoma doesn't have a clearcoat. It has faded horribly during the time I'v owned it and I used to wash and wax regularly until the fading was getting so bad it's not worth the time and effort. What makes it even worse is one bed side was repainted after a small accident and the color in that side is holding up very well while the rest of the truck looks horrible.
 

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I'm convinced my '00 red Tacoma doesn't have a clearcoat. It has faded horribly during the time I'v owned it and I used to wash and wax regularly until the fading was getting so bad it's not worth the time and effort.
I also have an '00 red Tacoma, and the hood is faded more than the rest of the body. I'm planning on buffing it when it warms up to see if it improves any.

According to www.paintscratch.com (who sells touch up paint) all the color codes are listed as (insert color) Clearcoat, except the 3H7 Red. It's just listed as "Red". You can look it up really quick on their site. I really thought the truck was clearcoated, but maybe it wasn't. I'll check when I'm cleaning up from today's first official KY TTORA run - which was lots of fun.
 
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