[adamusmcguy]

I know this comes up alot, I had my mind made up on the Warn M8000 after alot of searching on this forum....But a friend just bought the Warn 9.5XP for $768.55!!!!shipped and has it now.. This is no BS I saw the invoice and have an order pending online right now..It's from a huge company not a fly-by-night place.
My Question is does anyone run that big of a winch on there Tacoma? Or is there a need too? With that price it's VERY tempting to go with the 9.5XP....

Any thoughts or comments would be great....


ADAM

 

[grillmasterp]

Get the biggest winch you can comfortably afford-

The Tacoma will be fine with a 8K-9K winch - but if you can spare more power go for it. I know guys that run 9K-9.5 K winches
When I bought my M800 ($499) , I could not justify the additional 50% price increase for a 9000/9500 lb winch -

 

[hytenor]

I know this comes up alot, I had my mind made up on the Warn M8000 after alot of searching on this forum....But a friend just bought the Warn 9.5XP for $768.55!!!!shipped and has it now.. This is no BS I saw the invoice and have an order pending online right now..It's from a huge company not a fly-by-night place.
My Question is does anyone run that big of a winch on there Tacoma? Or is there a need too? With that price it's VERY tempting to go with the 9.5XP....

Any thoughts or comments would be great....


ADAM

74# vs 87# so the weight difference isn't much and the 95 is only an inch longer than than the 8000. what's the price difference? You'll need to swap out the 5/16" cable for some 3/8" rope though, since that size cable is only rated for 9800# but breaks with less.

If the price isn't much different I'd go with the big one

 

[adamusmcguy]

74# vs 87# so the weight difference isn't much and the 95 is only an inch longer than than the 8000. what's the price difference? You'll need to swap out the 5/16" cable for some 3/8" rope though, since that size cable is only rated for 9800# but breaks with less.


The cheapest M8000 I could find was $649.00 shipped...

The differance is $119.55 more for the 9.5XP...

The best price for Amsteel Blue Winch Rope I could find was $219.00 shipped for 100 feet of 3/8's...

I would then need a Aluminum Hawse Fairlead which I found for $67.95 shipped.

219.00 rope
67.95 fairlead
-------
286.95
+768.55 winch= 1055.50..OUCH!!!!

I didnt realize I would need to switch out the wire cable, that brought the price way up!!!

ADAM

 

[SteveO]

I have the 9.5 XP on mine and would reccomend it if you use it on hill climbs or pulling yourself out of the mud. The 8000 is fine but it's slow and on a long pull it will get really hot. I'd go with the 9.5XP for the price you found.

For cable, I run 100' of 3/8 Amsteel and it's too tight on the drum. The XP originally came with 125' of 5/16 wire rope but on the new ones Warn is shipping them with 100' of 5/16. If I were you I'd go with 5/16 Amsteel which is good for 12000 lbs. I went with 3/8 for the extra wear but regret it now. When I do a long pull I often have to stop and respool to get it all to fit.

Overall I'm thrilled with the winch, it's powerful, fast and since it's a Warn I'm sure it will always work when I need it. .....Steve

 

[SteveO]

Also, you can get an aluminum fairlead from OK Offroad for a decent price and if you ask they'll knock some cash off the total if you mention TTORA. The other option is a UHMWP fairlead from Sky Manufacturing which I'm running now but it won't last if you use it with a muddy line. I've seen a few that are very chewed up from sidepulls out of a mudhole. ..Steve

 

[expeditionswest]

I have the 9.5 XP on mine and would reccomend it if you use it on hill climbs or pulling yourself out of the mud. The 8000 is fine but it's slow and on a long pull it will get really hot. I'd go with the 9.5XP for the price you found.

Good feedback SteveO, but I have a question on the speed and heat comment.

The speed is nearly the same at 8,000 lbs.

Specs from WARN:

Line Speed at 8,000 Lbs.

Winch: Line Speed: Amp Draw:
M8000 8.1 Ft/Min 435
9.5 XP 8.8 Ft/Min 425

The speed at 8,000 lbs. is nearly identical

And the temp should be the same too, as both winches are three stage planetary and are pulling essentially the same amps.

But there are definetaly advantages to the 9.5, including capacity, and improved controller.

I have been a big fan of the M8000's (I own 2), as they are a great value. In your case, you got a great deal, so you made the right choice

 

[SteveO]

Good feedback SteveO, but I have a question on the speed and heat comment.

The speed is nearly the same at 8,000 lbs.

Specs from WARN:

Line Speed at 8,000 Lbs.

Winch: Line Speed: Amp Draw:
M8000 8.1 Ft/Min 435
9.5 XP 8.8 Ft/Min 425

The speed at 8,000 lbs. is nearly identical

And the temp should be the same too, as both winches are three stage planetary and are pulling essentially the same amps.

But there are definetaly advantages to the 9.5, including capacity, and improved controller.

I have been a big fan of the M8000's (I own 2), as they are a great value. In your case, you got a great deal, so you made the right choice

I guess they look pretty close on paper (although the 8000 is 8.01ft/min) but the speed at 8000 is still 10% quicker with the 9.5. Heat is determined by resistance times current squared so that 10A difference does add a lot more heat to the process. The numbers are closer than I thought though.

I also like the way the 9.5 is sealed compared to the 8000. For us that spend a ton of time in water and mud it's a valuable feature. Not knocking the 8000 at all but for the way we use them here the XP is definately the way to go. .....Steve

 

[hytenor]

74# vs 87# so the weight difference isn't much and the 95 is only an inch longer than than the 8000. what's the price difference? You'll need to swap out the 5/16" cable for some 3/8" rope though, since that size cable is only rated for 9800# but breaks with less.


The cheapest M8000 I could find was $649.00 shipped...

The differance is $119.55 more for the 9.5XP...

The best price for Amsteel Blue Winch Rope I could find was $219.00 shipped for 100 feet of 3/8's...

I would then need a Aluminum Hawse Fairlead which I found for $67.95 shipped.

219.00 rope
67.95 fairlead
-------
286.95
+768.55 winch= 1055.50..OUCH!!!!

I didnt realize I would need to switch out the wire cable, that brought the price way up!!!

ADAM

well, you don't "need" the rope and fairlead but you'll sure want them regardless of the winch you get. I'll have to agree with Steve on the 5/16" too since the break strength has been upgraded to 13,700.

OKoffroad has it for $195 (125') and the fairlead for $50. shipping may be less than what the site has, mine was when I ordered several things from them together.

what front suspension upgrades have you planned?

 

[adamusmcguy]

I'm getting the Donahoe Stage 3 kit from Demello... Donahoe coilovers and Camburg UUA's but after reading several post about the Camburgs there seems to be a issue with them squeaking???? That would drive me crazy so I will need to do a little more research into the arm's...and the deaver 8 or 9 pack leafs with Bilstien's 7100 out back.

Adam

 

[hytenor]

I'm getting the Doahoe Stage 3 kit from Demello... Doahoe coilovers and Camburg UUA's but after reading several post about the Camburgs there seems to be a issue with them squeaking???? That would drive me crazy so I will need to do a little more research into the arm's...and the deaver 8 or 9 pack leafs with Bilstien's 7100 out back.

Adam

as long as you keep them greased they are fine

 

[YUNADERIS]

go with the XP....better all around winch and more pulling power.... I have seen the m8k's stall out on pulling a tacoma
of course he was wedged pretty good and sideways

 

[adamusmcguy]

as long as you keep them greased they are fine

I know they come with a zerk but I read you still have to take them apart to grease the source of the squeak??? I dont mind doing this but how often will I have to disasemble the arms just to grease them? or is this not that big of an issue?


ADAM

 

[SteveO]

Make sure that if you order the rope you only get 100' of 5/16 or it's a nightmare spooling it on. If you need more length order a 50' extension as well. ....Steve

 

[hytenor]

I know they come with a zerk but I read you still have to take them apart to grease the source of the squeak??? I dont mind doing this but how often will I have to disasemble the arms just to grease them? or is this not that big of an issue?


ADAM

that was my post you read. I've had to regrease mine 3 times in a year but with the zerks that I just installed it shouldn't be that often. I haven't seen any posts from guys who have them with zerks as to how bad their squeeking is. I had suggested to Scott at Camburg to change the design of the bushings or possibly the washers to include grooves in them (so grease would get to that part) but it evidently is too cost prohibitive.

that said, with a winch you won't be cranking those Hoes up to 3" (unless you like an increadibly stiff ride) so you really won't need the Camburgs, IMO.

I have 675# SAWs cranked to about a 2.5" lift and the driver's side has exactly 2.5" of thread showing. If I wanted 3" or better I would we wasting my time since the ride would be a joke. My goal is to drop them to around 2" of lift or less for more usable wheel travel. I just have some rubbing issues to work out

 

[hytenor]

Make sure that if you order the rope you only get 100' of 5/16 or it's a nightmare spooling it on. If you need more length order a 50' extension as well. ....Steve

even on the 95? bummer. I figured with the faster line speed it wouldn't be a problem.

 

[cb77DEMELLO]

I'm getting the Donahoe Stage 3 kit from Demello... Donahoe coilovers and Camburg UUA's but after reading several post about the Camburgs there seems to be a issue with them squeaking???? That would drive me crazy so I will need to do a little more research into the arm's...and the deaver 8 or 9 pack leafs with Bilstien's 7100 out back.

Adam

Generally speaking the ones that squeak are the ones with no grease fittings or ones that were not installed with enough grease to begin with. We load them up with grease when we install them.

 

[hytenor]

Generally speaking the ones that squeak are the ones with no grease fittings or ones that were not installed with enough grease to begin with. We load them up with grease when we install them.

believe me, we loaded those suckers with grease on the initial install and again the 2nd time. I'm hoping with the zerks and the new plated washers they will stay quiet longer.

 

[SteveO]

even on the 95? bummer. I figured with the faster line speed it wouldn't be a problem.

I mean it will be a nightmare making it all fit. For me to get all 100' of 3/8 on the drum I need to watch it carefully and spool it nearly perfect or it won't fit. It's so close that I only use 1 abrasion guard, when I had two on there I couldn't fit all the rope on the drum. It's tight, next time I'm going with 5/16 amsteel instead.

 

[hytenor]

I mean it will be a nightmare making it all fit. For me to get all 100' of 3/8 on the drum I need to watch it carefully and spool it nearly perfect or it won't fit. It's so close that I only use 1 abrasion guard, when I had two on there I couldn't fit all the rope on the drum. It's tight, next time I'm going with 5/16 amsteel instead.

but I would think that you would have enough room for 125' since the winch is designed for that amount. My xd9000 came with 125' of cable but I only loaded it with 100' of Amsteel to make side-winching easier.