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Which state is best (most acccepting) for off roaders and the off roading community? Here is the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia it is all about closing down off road areas and adding restrictions to off road vehicles and limiting the times they can be used. Government sponsored trail maintainance does not exist and organization of clean up days rests on the shoulders of private clubs and magazines.
 

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California has a wide range of stuff to wheel... Beaches... Dunes... Deserts... Mountains... etc.. etc... What more could you ask for!!

Yes... there are a lot of closures... but that's because the others who wheel don't take care of the trails and are reckless when they do use them... Leavn' their trash behind... makn' their own trail.. that's the kinda shit that gets trails closed over here.. then you have the environmentalist capitalizing on that... :mad:
 

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rkwfxd said:
Here is the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia it is all about closing down off road areas and adding restrictions to off road vehicles and limiting the times they can be used.
Hate to say it, but California isn't the only place where this is happening.

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Government sponsored trail maintainance does not exist and organization of clean up days rests on the shoulders of private clubs and magazines.
I think your getting your facts mixed up. True, the government doesn't "sponsor" trail maintenance or clean-ups, but they do request help from local organizations. The typical procedure these days is for the forest service (or other governing body) to ask the Adopt-a-Trail club or other local club/organization for help repairing or cleaning up a trail. The forest service provides assistance by mean of materials, tools, trash bags and other stuff like that, and the local club provides the manpower. Some organizations like Friends of the Rubicon are a bit more proactive and don't wait for the FS to ask for help, they organize on their own.
 

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ShowStop said:
Hate to say it, but California isn't the only place where this is happening.


I think your getting your facts mixed up. True, the government doesn't "sponsor" trail maintenance or clean-ups, but they do request help from local organizations. The typical procedure these days is for the forest service (or other governing body) to ask the Adopt-a-Trail club or other local club/organization for help repairing or cleaning up a trail. The forest service provides assistance by mean of materials, tools, trash bags and other stuff like that, and the local club provides the manpower. Some organizations like Friends of the Rubicon are a bit more proactive and don't wait for the FS to ask for help, they organize on their own.
FS also provides heavy equip when needed as on the Strawberry trail's water bar construction.
 

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Gnwhite said:
it aint texas.
Sad, but true. Californians complain about trails closing down, yet they still have hundreds of thousands of acres of public land with open trails. Heck, Glamis alone has tens of thousands of acres still open, and that's just in one county. Sadly, as huge as Texas is, it hasn't even had much public land to close to begin with.
 

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20Montana said:
Montana, if you like running Mud Chains.

But its hard to find people in Montana to wheel with!!!

And alot of the birkenstocked patogonia clad west coasters have moved in to shut down anything a subaru can't handle so they have a place to air out thier ginas in peace while walking thier cats and slurping down soy lattes and comprehending their next lobbying scheme :D

It seems the forest service has shut down over half the trails on the west side of the state over the last ten years :mad: I wish we had more (responcible) wheelers to voice some support the sport.
 

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ShowStop said:
Please review the reference of "tools" in my original thread. ;)
when one thinks of 'tools' as used in your sentence one usually thinks of hand tools or something along that line, not a 10' wide excavator, LOL
 

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It sure ain't Ohio - not ONE public space where 4Wheeling is allowed - private only and the biggest one of those is getting over half of it closed.

Colorado has a TON, and an advocacy group (Stay the Trail).

I hear AZ has the most though.
 

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sexy.taco said:
And OH sucks ass :neener:
Yes it does...as far as 'wheeling places go anyway. Now show & shines...that's another matter :D Lots of people with what could be sweet offroad rigs, but no place to thrash on 'em :mad:
 
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